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Post by Ragnarok on Jul 16, 2016 23:43:12 GMT
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Post by taylor on Jul 16, 2016 23:46:21 GMT
That's why youre always so cold to me D:
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Praetor Wolf
Posted On: Jul 16, 2016 23:46:52 GMT
via mobile
Post by soundwave on Jul 16, 2016 23:46:52 GMT
No he has antennae, and plans to turn the world into an apocalypse!!! |
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Praetor Wolf
Posted On: Jul 16, 2016 23:47:37 GMT
via mobile
Post by soundwave on Jul 16, 2016 23:47:37 GMT
That's why youre always so cold to me D: Who what? Where when and how? |
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Post by Ragnarok on Jul 16, 2016 23:50:47 GMT
No he has antennae, and plans to turn the world into an apocalypse!!! no not apocalypse, RAGNAROK!!!! muhuuhuhuhuhuhuhauhaahauhahauahuh1!!!!! |
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Post by Jam In The Jukebox on Jul 16, 2016 23:55:14 GMT
someone destroy that "it" plz someone
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Post by DeepFriedWafflez on Jul 16, 2016 23:57:36 GMT
Okay, now that i see this, im gonna explain these situations. In all three of the screenshots, i had slain myself before the reports were made, knowing i had messed up and RDM'ed. I only set the reports to finished so as to indicate to the other staff on at the time that i was already slain for the reason in the reports, which is what i told tuktuk when he talked to me about this. ^ first thing tuk didn't include in the report. I didn't kick Gho for no reason. i kicked her because Seth had started a vote to kick her and the majority won. I am still new to being a Tmod and was not aware only the person who started the vote can kick her. I had explained this to everyone on the server and told them it would not happen again. ^ Second thing tuk didn't include in the report. The idea to get tuktuk to ban himself started out as a joke. it was a joke i made because earlier in the day tuktuk had RDM'ed me when i was an Inno, and i reported him for it. He then proceeded to say "I am not allowed to handle my own reports, you need to be the one to slay me" knowing full well that i was a Tmod and cannot slay an admin. He then slayed himself, but right before the next round started removed his slays, which i called him out for. He then kept saying "i am not allowed to handle my own reports" and soon said "i have to go" and left the server. i said that next time tuktuk gets online that i should hand him his own steam id and tell him to ban it for RDM and leave. Seth then said "Do eet" and most of the other staff on at the time said basically the same thing. ^third thing tuk didn't include in the staff report. Me and sound were screwing around with the minecarts during Pre-round, and i fired a DB at the minecart which hit him, right as the round started. I apologized profusely to soundwave after that and added the 2 slays myself as soon as i found out he was a T. ^fourth thing tuk didn't include in the staff report. As i said in my unban appeal: It is unfair to ban someone without allowing them to defend themselves or explain their actions. it is also VERY unbecoming of a veteran administrator to purposely leave information out of a staff report to make it seem MUCH more incriminating. Possibly because everytime you mess with people or troll someone, i am usually the one to call you out for it, but i am not sure. Also if you only reported because this came up as a casual conversation, I doubt you would have all these screenshots saved. Before you manage to twist the evidence Tuktuk has presented, I'll chime in since several of the screenshots are mine. First off, do NOT try and defend yourself for prop killing a fellow staff member with a made up story. Soundwave was still loading into the server at the time, and it was over 30 seconds into the round. Don't claim you are "messing around" with someone when they aren't even fully loaded in yet, and even so, what you were doing is explicitly against the servers rules. I told you right after, if i saw you break rules/abuse again, it would be given to an admin or Backstab himself, so do not try and claim it was targeted. Second, trying to trick a admin into banning himself, is extremely unprofessional and immature. You should have taken screenshots, and approached him about it, or another staff member. These kind of actions are why I -repped your app to begin with, and said you were immature to handle the responsiblity of being a staff member. I do agree with a few of my fellow staff members that you SHOULD be unbanned, but I do believe you should be demoted no matter what, as well as instead of a perm ban, you should have a several day/week temporary ban as punishment for rule breaking. It will hopefully also give you a chance to set your mind straight and stop using "it was a joke" as a defense against rule breaking. In regards to Jam, yes I do believe staff is slightly nitpicky, but it also in our job to be mature and responsible, and to follow the rules. Claiming what has happened here to be "nitpicky" doesn't really fit since it is a valid report. Also since Mordecai brought it up, I'd just like to say, its great that certain players such as Wolf donate to the server, and as an active member, as well as staff, I really appreciate what it does for the server. However, I do not believe that should warrant ANY kind of leeway when someone abuses powers, or breaks rules. |
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Post by Jam In The Jukebox on Jul 17, 2016 0:11:44 GMT
I wasn't calling out every incident as being nitpicky.I'll agree that incidents like where tuk pointed out that wolf tried to get tuk to ban himself wasn't nitpicky. Incidents that appear very nitpicky like when tuk delayed his slay because he didn't want to handle his own report.Yes I understand the usual reason of "preventing bias" but how hard is it to look at the evidence in the report and own up to your decision?Yes I know it can be a problem when handling reports that involve you and controversy,but when the justified verdict is right plain and there,that's just being petty.I handle my own reports all the time and most are invalid because I mostly get reported for killing a t buddy with a c4.Me setting those reports as finished when the person didn't forgive isn't me being biased to play the next round.It's just me using evidence to set a justified verdict and if the victim wants to argue I have the evidence to back myself up.incidents like where I false kos'd raven yesterday is also another example of handling evidence properly.I know I messed up when I did that,and I slayed myself before he even made a report.I kept my feelings out of the situation. I also shouldn't be reminded that staff should be responsible and mature.I hear it every day ;_;
*This is just my opinion and I don't find it necessary to argue about this any further*
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Post by praetorianwolf on Jul 17, 2016 0:22:45 GMT
Okay, now that i see this, im gonna explain these situations. In all three of the screenshots, i had slain myself before the reports were made, knowing i had messed up and RDM'ed. I only set the reports to finished so as to indicate to the other staff on at the time that i was already slain for the reason in the reports, which is what i told tuktuk when he talked to me about this. ^ first thing tuk didn't include in the report. I didn't kick Gho for no reason. i kicked her because Seth had started a vote to kick her and the majority won. I am still new to being a Tmod and was not aware only the person who started the vote can kick her. I had explained this to everyone on the server and told them it would not happen again. ^ Second thing tuk didn't include in the report. The idea to get tuktuk to ban himself started out as a joke. it was a joke i made because earlier in the day tuktuk had RDM'ed me when i was an Inno, and i reported him for it. He then proceeded to say "I am not allowed to handle my own reports, you need to be the one to slay me" knowing full well that i was a Tmod and cannot slay an admin. He then slayed himself, but right before the next round started removed his slays, which i called him out for. He then kept saying "i am not allowed to handle my own reports" and soon said "i have to go" and left the server. i said that next time tuktuk gets online that i should hand him his own steam id and tell him to ban it for RDM and leave. Seth then said "Do eet" and most of the other staff on at the time said basically the same thing. ^third thing tuk didn't include in the staff report. Me and sound were screwing around with the minecarts during Pre-round, and i fired a DB at the minecart which hit him, right as the round started. I apologized profusely to soundwave after that and added the 2 slays myself as soon as i found out he was a T. ^fourth thing tuk didn't include in the staff report. As i said in my unban appeal: It is unfair to ban someone without allowing them to defend themselves or explain their actions. it is also VERY unbecoming of a veteran administrator to purposely leave information out of a staff report to make it seem MUCH more incriminating. Possibly because everytime you mess with people or troll someone, i am usually the one to call you out for it, but i am not sure. Also if you only reported because this came up as a casual conversation, I doubt you would have all these screenshots saved. Before you manage to twist the evidence Tuktuk has presented, I'll chime in since several of the screenshots are mine. First off, do NOT try and defend yourself for prop killing a fellow staff member with a made up story. Soundwave was still loading into the server at the time, and it was over 30 seconds into the round. Don't claim you are "messing around" with someone when they aren't even fully loaded in yet, and even so, what you were doing is explicitly against the servers rules. I told you right after, if i saw you break rules/abuse again, it would be given to an admin or Backstab himself, so do not try and claim it was targeted. Second, trying to trick a admin into banning himself, is extremely unprofessional and immature. You should have taken screenshots, and approached him about it, or another staff member. These kind of actions are why I -repped your app to begin with, and said you were immature to handle the responsiblity of being a staff member. I do agree with a few of my fellow staff members that you SHOULD be unbanned, but I do believe you should be demoted no matter what, as well as instead of a perm ban, you should have a several day/week temporary ban as punishment for rule breaking. It will hopefully also give you a chance to set your mind straight and stop using "it was a joke" as a defense against rule breaking. In regards to Jam, yes I do believe staff is slightly nitpicky, but it also in our job to be mature and responsible, and to follow the rules. Claiming what has happened here to be "nitpicky" doesn't really fit since it is a valid report. Also since Mordecai brought it up, I'd just like to say, its great that certain players such as Wolf donate to the server, and as an active member, as well as staff, I really appreciate what it does for the server. However, I do not believe that should warrant ANY kind of leeway when someone abuses powers, or breaks rules. Since you remember the propkilling situation differently than I, please tell me: did i not slay myself as soon as i realized i killed her? If i know i have done something wrong i ALWAYS correct it afterwards, even though soundwave didnt report me. I haven't used "it was a joke" as a defense either. i said it STARTED OUT AS A JOKE, but then i got the backing of some of the other staff that were online at the time and went with it. I also haven't seen a legitimate point of me Abusing my powers as staff. I also have taken responsibility for all of my actions in any situation that has occured. trying to ban me for slaying myself as soon as i realized i RDM'ed someone? Where did i abuse my power or privileges as a staff member waffle? |
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Post by Backstab on Jul 17, 2016 0:24:25 GMT
**Finishing your reports isn't a problem. You can do it if you know you mess up/you have evidence to back you up.
Since praetor was just a tmod, I'll demote him and unban him. I'm being nice here...
Usually abuse = pban, but I'll let you off the hook now.
Thx for all the replies, read them and i feel like pbanning a tmod is a bit much. I'd ban anyone who abuses like this when they're mod or higher.
TL;DR: Unbanning praetor because he was tmod, but I'm removing his rank.
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Post by praetorianwolf on Jul 17, 2016 0:26:10 GMT
Also, calling me immature for playing around a lot in game makes no sense. Staff are here to enforce the rules, AND make sure everyone else can enjoy the game. Me playing the game with a light heart does NOT translate to Immaturity, and i think you need to realize that.
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Post by praetorianwolf on Jul 17, 2016 0:26:54 GMT
**Finishing your reports isn't a problem. You can do it if you know you mess up/you have evidence to back you up. Since praetor was just a tmod, I'll demote him and unban him. I'm being nice here... Usually abuse = pban, but I'll let you off the hook now. Thx for all the replies, read them and i feel like pbanning a tmod is a bit much. I'd ban anyone who abuses like this when they're mod or higher. TL;DR: Unbanning praetor because he was tmod, but I'm removing his rank. Okay then, thanks ^~^ |
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Post by praetorianwolf on Jul 17, 2016 0:29:17 GMT
Also, Tuktuk still hasn't claimed responsibility for leaving information out of the report, and not mentioning me either. In all actuality,I haven't abused any of my powers or privileges as a staff member.
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Post by morty on Jul 17, 2016 0:30:46 GMT
Deep called you out on lying about one of the situations. I suggest we all leave it here and stop going.
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Post by Ragnarok on Jul 17, 2016 0:31:48 GMT
Backstab please lock this thread, it is too long for my brain to handle.
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